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No, I will not. — "and that will have a bad effect on your health". I was not trivialising it, and it is unfair of the Member opposite to characterise me in that way. The debate has, for the most part, been respectful, and I believe that the Member opposite has let herself down. I genuinely do.
No, I will not take another intervention. I gave a clear example of how parents across Northern Ireland — there will be people in the Chamber thinking this; perhaps she is not, but some people will be — show love to our children by saying no. That is how we demonstrate love, because, ultimately, in many cases, we…
I will, but I will address that intervention first. I am genuinely disappointed by the Member opposite, because she — No, I am. I would not speak to another Member of the House in the way that she just spoke to me, but that is up to her. She gave me a clear example of how, when it comes to gender identity, parents…
I appreciate the Member's being so generous with his time. I am not a member of the LGBTQ+ community, but I am proud to say that I am an ally, so I know how that community feels about your party. You have proven it time and again. In an attempt to trivialise a conversation between a child and their parent about their…
I thank the Member for giving way. Emma Sheerin raises a really important question about the Bill. It is so important that we have this debate so that her question is answered. The Bill claims that a person "carries out conversion therapy" if they give "instruction". That is exactly what a parent does day and daily.…
I thank the Member for her intervention. She mentioned the concept of a parent showing love and acceptance if their child presented, in the example that she used, as a different gender. We will all have views on that in the Chamber. What a parent should not do, however, is say, "Yes, that is fine", just because the…
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I thank the Member for giving way. He referred again to whether or not parents want to be in court, and, of course, they do not. However, I would argue that we would like to see a society where, when a parent is told by their son or daughter that they are questioning their sexuality or think that they might be gay, or…
I thank the Member opposite. I will pick up on some of her points. Some of the bodies that she mentioned — the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) and UNESCO — have been waxing lyrical about affirmative practice and affirmative counselling in some of these areas for a long time. The Member is…
People have a right to use or reference whomever they want, as the Principal Deputy Speaker said, but it is important to provide balance. When you look at legal or medical experts, it is also important to point to international best practice. International best practice across all the experts points to a ban on those…
I thank the Member for giving way. The Bill sponsor has used strong language. Does the Member agree that the Bill sponsor, Mr Tennyson, is an ideological actor when it comes to this particular school of thought?
The Member has overlooked, again, that the Bill is explicit that failure to do a thing is not a conversion practice; that is in the Bill. Therefore, not acting in a particular way would not be captured; it has to be proactive coercive behaviour. Aidan O'Neill is one KC. He is a KC who also said that equal marriage…
I thank my colleague. I will make reference to the various aspects of the Bill. I will tie this section off. I will quote Ruth Paterson again, because she sums it up very well: "The issue is not whether abusive practices should be criminalised; the issue is whether the Bill has been drafted narrowly enough to…
Mr Carroll inadvertently highlighted one of the major concerns with the Bill, which, I think, my colleague was going to articulate. It has been borne out by the consultation responses that a lot of professionals, including teachers, who are governed by different professional standards authorities and who are required…
I will give way, but, first, I will tie up my response to what Mr Carroll said about teachers. He led me into it, Madam Principal Deputy Speaker. To answer Mr Carroll, they are not referenced in the Bill. I will give way to my colleague.