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In that scenario, the pastor, priest, minister or whoever would have to be doing it with the specific intent of changing or suppressing the sexuality or gender identity of a specific person. It would be extremely unlikely, and that is why I said what I said. The Bill is an important step forward in doing what has been…
I am grateful to the Member for giving way. He made an exceptionally revealing comment. He said, "I can't see that happening". That is why we need to read the legislation, because we are changing the law. I encourage the Member to look at all the tests that need to be met. I can easily see a situation where a minister…
Without getting into the semantics — I do not say that in a pejorative sense — of particular scenarios, first, that is precisely the purpose of having a Committee Stage, during which such scenarios are discussed and people can give evidence. If the Bill were to proceed to Committee Stage, I have absolutely no doubt…
I thank the Member for giving way. I think that we are going to be here until 10.30 pm regardless of whether he or other Members speak. The Member spoke about faith practices and quackery. Frankly, I have not heard any Member on these Benches — I have not been here for the whole debate, but I have been listening…
The Member says that we must principally look at whom a Bill sets out to protect, but would he agree that we should also look at whom the Bill potentially harms?
I will attempt to speak relatively briefly about Mr Tennyson's Bill this evening, because people deserve to go home. I presume that we will not move to a Division tonight. I want to say some words in support of the Conversion Practices (Criminalisation) Bill at Second Stage, as my party colleague did earlier, and make…
Thank you very much, Mr Deputy Speaker. I agree with the Member. If the DUP goes ahead and votes against there being scrutiny at Committee Stage, an opportunity will be lost. I truly believe that the Committee Stage would provide an opportunity for further scrutiny and refinement. I am content to support the Bill at…
Does the Member agree that just because something is complex and difficult does not mean that it should not be attempted, done, completed or followed through?
I appreciate the Member giving way. Why is it so difficult to bring this forward? I have engaged in good faith. I have had many meetings with officials on the issue, and I have engaged with people from the outside. This is such a difficult issue to put into legislation, because, once you get beyond all the clearly…
I thank the Member for giving way. This is the Second Stage debate. We are debating the general principles of the Bill, and Members will understand that this is scrutiny. We have been scrutinising the Bill. Not only is it our job to do that, but it is important to note that, if we form an opinion at Second Stage that…
I thank the Member for that contribution. I do not think that I need to respond to it, because it was a viewpoint, but I will say that the debate has generated strong opinions, which is understandable because it touches on issues of identity, faith, family life, personal liberty and safeguarding. When we cut through…
I appreciate the Member's giving way. I know that she is sincere in what she says, but would she not equally accept that no one on this side of the House raised objections to the Bill because of someone's sexual orientation? The concerns of those of us on these Benches have been around the Bill's being so expansive…
I was not expecting that. I was expecting Mr Frew to go on until 10.30 pm. Thank you very much. Before I start my contribution, I say to Members: I apologise in advance if you call for an intervention and I do not hear you. My hearing has got a lot worse, and I have difficulty picking up Members speaking, especially…
One hundred per cent. The Member is correct. The issue is also clause 9, which is: "No right to claim trial by jury". I understand exactly where the Bill sponsor is coming from here. In the raft of legislation that we have passed in this House, there is no right to claim trial by jury, simply because of the trauma…