Debate contribution: Conversion Practices (Criminalisation) Bill: Second Stage

Debate contribution by Mr Gordon Lyons on .

MLA
Mr Gordon Lyons
Party at the time
Democratic Unionist Party
Date
28 September 2026
Type
Debate contribution (made as a minister)
Business
Private Members' Business
Heading
Conversion Practices (Criminalisation) Bill: Second Stage
Assembly identifier
Official Report component 5762793

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I am grateful to the Member for giving way. There is another issue that the Bill sponsor needs to address when considering to whom the Bill applies. We have talked about the freedom that a minister, a pastor or whoever may have at the pulpit to express certain views. During the debate at some stage last week, it was implied that the provision would not apply to someone speaking in front of a crowd, because there would not be an identifiable victim. That, I believe, was the view that Mr Tennyson took. My reading of the Bill, however, suggests that the victim just needs to have been there and to have felt as though there was a suppression or an intent to suppress. If the person felt "fear, alarm or distress", that could fall under the category of "instruction" in clause 4. I do not believe that it is Mr Tennyson's intention to include that, because he has said in the House that it is not his intention for something such as that to be included. We need to be able to understand that from reading what is in front of us in black and blue, however. If the Bill progresses to Committee Stage, as, we all accept, it will, that is another issue that will need clarity. On the face of it, however, that factor would bring the issue within the scope of clause 4.

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